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God Apprentice · Dec 30, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Bacon Goes Monk

Just think about it. When 6v6 was introduced, there were less err7's and less lag.

I have a guildie who is friends with a dev, he says the change was to make it more accessible to new players to play HA.

Please people, less crying about 8v8 fotms, 6v6 has fotms as well so stop being ignorant.

JR · Dec 30, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

Amusing... as soon as discussion turns to an 8v8 HA, every thread gets taken over by IWAY.

Stop it.

Orphan Anthem · Dec 30, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

I havent read the pervious post nor am i planning to for quite some time but here are my thots on what went right and wrong with ha.

First off 6v6 was a great idea. It made teams for the most part make a choice either a strong holding team for once you get to the finish or a strong offensive team that i grreat at pushing to the finish. I know that comment might get me flamed from diehard 8v8 fans but in general it was a vast improvement for the game.

Now for the what i don't like section of this. I got one of my friends that dosn't have much PvP exp to come along with me into HA with my group for a while and he enjoyed it. We made good progress more then a few 10+ fame runs. Now when he tryed going for it himself without atlest a r3 title he could barly break the surface of the game. He wasnt able to get into any skilled teams because the only ones he couold get into were also unranked players. Then to add to it you faced this r6+ teams you would get whiped. Its so hard to break into HA with all the rank descrimination.

Possably the best way to both fix and kill HA would be to remove rank. This would remove those vain players that only do it for the rank and showing how much e-peen they have and push more new players into HA because there isnt so much discrimination against them. That being said i dont think it is a true fix for HA because it would drive off so many good players.

I say whipe the slate clean on fame. Add a alternative way to gain fame for rank 1-3 if they choose and to slow down the rate players can farm for fame. Another possability is put a REQ on HA. You must have atleast something liek 200k balthazar faction to join. This would mean players in HA have had previous PvP experiance and maybe put less discrimination on people that simply dont constantly play HA.

Ofcorse i expect to get flamed by the whipe fame clean comment but it was my honest opinion on a possable way to bring new life in HA

Bacon Goes Monk · Dec 30, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Oh dear lord, where to start.

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

First off 6v6 was a great idea. It made teams for the most part make a choice either a strong holding team for once you get to the finish or a strong offensive team that i grreat at pushing to the finish. I know that comment might get me falamed from diehard 8v8 fans but in general it was a vas improvement for the game.

How is making people leave the game a great idea.

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Now for the what i don't like section of this. I got one of my friends that dosn't have much PvP exp to come along with me into HA with my group for a while and he enjoyed it. We made good progress more then a few 10+ fame runs. Now when he tryed going for it himself without atlest a r3 title he could barly break the surface of the game. He wasnt able to get into any skilled teams because the only ones he couold get into were also unranked players. Then to add to it you faced this r6+ teams you would get whiped. Its so hard to break into HA with all the rank descrimination.

All I can say for that part is QQ. We have r5's in our guild, which used to be a r9+ guild. Unfortunately too many people quit the game, so we recruited people we thought played decent. They got fame and rank, so why can't your "friend".

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Possably the best way to both fix and kill HA would be to remove rank. This would remove those vain players that only do it for the rank and showing how much e-peen they have and push more new players into HA because there isnt so much discrimination against them. That being said i dont think it is a true fix for HA because it would drive off so many good players.

People play HA for fame. If they remove it, wtf's the point to play? Answer me that.

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I say whipe the slate clean on fame.

Uh... no? How would that even help?? Everyone will just continue to play with friends, guilds, and alliances. Thats if you don't make everyone r6 and above quit.

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Add a alternative way to gain fame for rank 1-3 if they choose and to slow down the rate players can farm for fame. Another possability is put a REQ on HA. You must have atleast something liek 200k balthazar faction to join. This would mean players in HA have had previous PvP experiance and maybe put less discrimination on people that simply dont constantly play HA.

Whats that gonna do? rank 1-3 means nothing. Neither does how much faction you get.

leguma · Dec 30, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

Possably the best way to both fix and kill HA would be to remove rank. T

Great Sollution, NOT.
Even if this were to happen, a year down the line, or 6 months down the line, people will be zOMFG RNK DESCRIMNAATION WTF GHEY omg omg omg A.net nerf fame, remove AGAIN.
How would this be an answer when it only leads to the exact same situation down the road.

Fame is broken because it never ever goes down, only up, unlike a Guild Ranking that is a very good indicator of how good your guild is. The only problem is that if Anet were to put this in now (waaaay too late for it) it would still be the unranked players that would be QQing even more because not only can they not get decent teams and so on and so forth but when they loose they take a fame hit.

gasmaskman · Dec 30, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by God Apprentice

Please people, less crying about 8v8 fotms, 6v6 has fotms as well so stop being ignorant.

You mean 6v6 only has FoTMs pretty much?
8v8 balanced>6v6 FoTMs

8v8 FoTMs>6v6 FoTMs

Orphan Anthem · Dec 30, 2006, 08:14 PM // 20:14

ZOMG PEOPLE LEFT HA AHHH!

seriously now they left, they are gone, and good ridance. Ha for a whole is now vastly improved. Ofcorse a few spoil sports tarnished this improvement. Poor a 40 our for the hommies that left and MOVE ON.

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Originally Posted by Bacon Goes Monk

All I can say for that part is QQ. We have r5's in our guild, which used to be a r9+ guild. Unfortunately too many people quit the game, so we recruited people we thought played decent. They got fame and rank, so why can't your "friend".

as i stated in a group of experianced players fame was FINE but its when he goes in solo is where he get murdered. Its hard for new players to enter in the world of HA without a buddy system. MOST players tho dont have this option

and yes the quick way to r3 is kinda a random thot i put down.

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Originally Posted by leguma

Great Sollution, NOT.
Even if this were to happen, a year down the line, or 6 months down the line, people will be zOMFG RNK DESCRIMNAATION WTF GHEY omg omg omg A.net nerf fame, remove AGAIN.
How would this be an answer when it only leads to the exact same situation down the road.

Fame is broken because it never ever goes down, only up, unlike a Guild Ranking that is a very good indicator of how good your guild is. The only problem is that if Anet were to put this in now (waaaay too late for it) it would still be the unranked players that would be QQing even more because not only can they not get decent teams and so on and so forth but when they loose they take a fame hit.

True, eventully eliteism would rise again. So maybe an answer is regular fame sweeps. Ofcorse then you get those high fame people QQing over the chop chop of e-peen.

Orphan Anthem · Dec 30, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Ok new idea

Regular fame sweeps like in GvG. but inorder to keep those eliteist interested instatute a end of season tourny. Teamd would consist of the highest numbers of fame in HA and would be selected either by draft or lotto.

leguma · Dec 30, 2006, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

Ok new idea

Regular fame sweeps like in GvG. but inorder to keep those eliteist interested instatute a end of season tourny. Teamd would consist of the highest numbers of fame in HA and would be selected either by draft or lotto.

Hate to break it to you but GvG and HA are two very different types of game and what works in one does not work in the other. GvG requires you to have a dedicated team, that you announce beforehand, that is all part of the same guild, and has been so for over 30 days. Want to know how much that will work in HA?

As for the regular wipes, that is soon to be ancient history in GvG too. The sollution is not wiping fame, but making it possible for it to go down. Like for example when you loose. And like I said, unraked players will probably be the ones complaining about that the most. Even as it is, the system ballances out in a away. Progression is potentially very fast at the lowest tiers, while from tiger to phoenix it takes forever.

Orphan Anthem · Dec 30, 2006, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by leguma

Hate to break it to you but GvG and HA are two very different types of game and what works in one does not work in the other. GvG requires you to have a dedicated team, that you announce beforehand, that is all part of the same guild, and has been so for over 30 days. Want to know how much that will work in HA?

As for the regular wipes, that is soon to be ancient history in GvG too. The sollution is not wiping fame, but making it possible for it to go down. Like for example when you loose. And like I said, unraked players will probably be the ones complaining about that the most. Even as it is, the system ballances out in a away. Progression is potentially very fast at the lowest tiers, while from tiger to phoenix it takes forever.

so the reason why you think it wont work is because its not GvG? how much experaince with Ha based tournaments do you have? For all you know this is exactly what the format needs and your just basing your claim on your own opinion not by any proven factor.

A end season whipe would make it so during the new season it would be quite easy for new players to break in. by creating a reward other then fame via title it would give people a reason to farm for fame. Are you trying to tell me that MORE people woudlnt play HA if there was a reward other then the size of e-peen you have.

Teamd would be selected either by Lotto or Draft. Lotto would be random team you get what you get and try and do the best you can. Draft would mean the player with the highest Fame could selelect his first partner. Then the next highest person could select his partner and so forth.

The only problem would be teamwork. But roughly everyone will have that problem OR they will try and select just people they have played with before.

Pro of draft would be you would have a more experianced team if you were lacking a good monk then pick and monk and so forth.

Pro of Lotto would be everyone would have the same chances of winning based on OMG LUCK!

Nurse With Wound · Dec 30, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

lots of things!

Less crying is the key.

Your ideas about turning HA into bigger RA is riduculus, and not worthy of commenting. We're trying to make HA into high-end pvp arena for good and organized teams, something you dont understand obviously.
Stop whining about fame and discrimination. Fame system is fine, its not the reason of HAs problems, they were identified by experienced players pages ago. This is a serious thread about HA issues. If you're not man enough to play like everyone else, at least dont whine.

Also please use "EDIT" button. Its working really well. Dont put one post, under another.

Bacon Goes Monk · Dec 30, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

ZOMG PEOPLE LEFT HA AHHH!

seriously now they left, they are gone, and good ridance. Ha for a whole is now vastly improved. Ofcorse a few spoil sports tarnished this improvement. Poor a 40 our for the hommies that left and MOVE ON.

Move on to what? A ruined PvP area?

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as i stated in a group of experianced players fame was FINE but its when he goes in solo is where he get murdered. Its hard for new players to enter in the world of HA without a buddy system. MOST players tho dont have this option

Find a decent guild?

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True, eventully eliteism would rise again. So maybe an answer is regular fame sweeps. Ofcorse then you get those high fame people QQing over the chop chop of e-peen.

Do you not understand the point of HA? It's to get fame, rank, and emotes. If you wipe that every day, or even have it eventually decrease over time, then whats the point of even playing HA? Seriously, what would be the point?

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This thread is about thots to improve HA not lets all talk about issues Nurse With Wounds is concerned about.

You're not trying to improve HA. You're making ideas to give unranked players an easy button and screw over high ranked players.

phoenixtech · Dec 30, 2006, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

Ok new idea

Regular fame sweeps like in GvG. but inorder to keep those eliteist interested instatute a end of season tourny. Teamd would consist of the highest numbers of fame in HA and would be selected either by draft or lotto.

Fame sweep is like doing a bank-account sweep in real life. How would you like it if the poor bums on the street wanted to "wipe your/your family's bank account clean"? The concept was called COMMUNISM I believe and I'm pretty sure communism has failed.

On comparing HA to GvG, seriously, you think you can get into top 10 guild GvG starting lineups without any experience? Getting into any sort of competitive guild requires try-outs and other requirements too.

People calling for the reset of fame are mostly low ranked nubs who are too lazy or unwilling to put in the effort and resent/envy higher ranked groups, they want to be part of that group but can't understand the simple fact that it requires dedication/effort. Low ranked nubs who actually puts in the effort doesn't stay low ranked for long anyways.

Orphan Anthem · Dec 30, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by phoenixtech

Fame sweep is like doing a bank-account sweep in real life. How would you like it if the poor bums on the street wanted to "wipe your/your family's bank account clean"? The concept was called COMMUNISM I believe and I'm pretty sure communism has failed.

On comparing HA to GvG, seriously, you think you can get into top 10 guild GvG starting lineups without any experience? Getting into any sort of competitive guild requires try-outs and other requirements too.

People calling for the reset of fame are mostly low ranked nubs who are too lazy or unwilling to put in the effort and resent/envy higher ranked groups, they want to be part of that group but can't understand the simple fact that it requires dedication/effort. Low ranked nubs who actually puts in the effort doesn't stay low ranked for long anyways.

Im not requesting a fame sweet just to even the playing field. try reading my previous post for the reasons why.

Fame sweep would give new players a chance to get into the game. To keep things interested give those players who DO put it the time and effort to gain some kind of reward.

For asmuch as we know the new GvG format might basicly KILL ITSELF. now allowing rank to clear will make it so no new guilds can be created and enter into the highest of rank. I AM NOT concerned about people who stroke themselves to HA all day but the longevity of HA as a whole. sweeping fame would clean fame for me but the possability of some kind fo special reward would make me want to start anew.

streets101 · Dec 30, 2006, 09:40 PM // 21:40

I dont know if this is even possible but i was thinking of a concept that Anet could start their own poll. When you login your account r3+ (this is because it shows that you play ha, because people could just get there unranked friends or second accounts to vote in their favour) it allows you to vote weather to have 6v6 in play or bring 8v8 back since that is the majority of the talk going on in this thread anyway......its just an idea

Bacon Goes Monk · Dec 30, 2006, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

Fame sweep would give new players a chance to get into the game. To keep things interested give those players who DO put it the time and effort to gain some kind of reward.

How would fame sweeps give new players a chance...? Please, enlighten me how.

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Originally Posted by streets101

I dont know if this is even possible but i was thinking of a concept that Anet could start their own poll. When you login your account r3+ (this is because it shows that you play ha, because people could just get there unranked friends or second accounts to vote in their favour) it allows you to vote weather to have 6v6 in play or bring 8v8 back since that is the majority of the talk going on in this thread anyway......its just an idea

Because it makes too much sense of course. That ideas already been mentioned who knows how many times.

Orphan Anthem · Dec 30, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Bacon Goes Monk

How would fame sweeps give new players a chance...? Please, enlighten me how.

Simple fact of HA. Rank is the biggest deciding factor on group placement. Rank removed means more new players to HA get to play. Inorder to balance HA so that there is more skill is to make a Balthazar faction REQ to enter. This would sweep out the bottom 5-10% of players that are completly without hope for PvP. Have them put in time in other forms like GvG and RA. Once they have aquired enough fo the essential skills for team play allow them to enter. This would breath NEW LIFE into HA and at the same time require that the new life is capable of being a contributing memberto the HA community and not a buren on everyone else

Yunas Ele · Dec 30, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem

Fame sweep would give new players a chance to get into the game. To keep things interested give those players who DO put it the time and effort to gain some kind of reward.

No it wouldn't. The high ranked players of today would continue to do what they do today. Press "N" and "G" (or whatever your friends list and guild list hotkeys are), pm people on those lists and get a group together with those people. Then they'd be higher rank than you again. This wouldn't solve the "problem". I put problem in quotes because its not really a problem. As many before me said, if you actually tried you could get your rank np and soon learn that its meaningless....

Bacon Goes Monk · Dec 30, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

No it wouldn't. The high ranked players of today would continue to do what they do today. Press "N" and "G" (or whatever your friends list and guild list hotkeys are), pm people on those lists and get a group together with those people. Then they'd be higher rank than you again. This wouldn't solve the "problem". I put problem in quotes because its not really a problem. As many before me said, if you actually tried you could get your rank np and soon learn that its meaningless....

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Sword · Dec 30, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06

HA is currently boring, myself and many others are very resistant to join HA groups because it is not fun.
HA should go back to 8v8, but skills that are overpowered atm need to be fixed (these apply to gvg as well) ... it should be obvious what these skills are if you pvp....Searing Flames, Avatar of Grenth, Sandstorm(HA only- much to powerful on ghostly who dosent know to stop attacking), Steady Stance(and "fear me" spam on ghostly in general needs to be fixed)